Wednesday, April 27, 2011

Here is the Problem with Obama's Birth Certificate..... Kenya was not so named until December 1963!!! It was British East Africa Protectorate - Also Hospital name Was not that name until 1978!!!!!!


UPDATE 5/17/12 - An Obama literary brochure from 1991 - says "Born in Kenya."

UPDATE - 1/23/12 - Obama ordered to Georgia for lawsuit against him. 

UPDATE 5/25/11 - This article lays it all out on how the released Birth certificate is a fraud, from all various sources.  Now Trump is even saying it is a fake. 

UPDATE 5/25/11 - Subpoena issued to Hawaii Health Director to provide Original Typewritten Birth Certificate by Judge.

The Obama Birth certificate has a slight problem, though MSM will never say so.  In fact they will now say "Let's put this to rest, he has proven he was born in Hawaii".

BUT there is 2 GLARING PROBLEMS with the Birth certificate.

Obama was born in August 1961.  His birth certificate has his father being born in Kenya - the birth certificate released today (April 27th 2011) is linked below.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/longformbirthcertificate.pdf

The father is listed as Kenyan born.

Well.......

The name of the country BEFORE it was named Kenya in 1963 after Jomo Kenyatta was 

British East Africa Protectorate


The name Kenya did not come into play until 1963.... So how could it be in 1961 on a birth certificate a place of birth is listed as Kenya before it was even a country named Kenya???



I have not been an outright "birther"  but I DO LIKE TRUTH!  The birth certificate has that problem which I consider to be a huge problem!

Here is some information about Kenya and the history of it:
http://glpinc.org/Classroom%20Activities/Kenya%20Articles/Struggle%20for%20Independence.htm


Jomo Kenyatta was born in Gatundu; the year of his birth is uncertain, but most scholars agree he was born in the 1890s. He was born into the Kikuyu ethnic group. Named Kamau wa Ngengi at birth, he later adopted the surname Kenyatta (from the Kikuyu word for a type of beaded belt he wore) and then the first name Jomo. Kenyatta was educated by Presbyterian missionaries and by 1921 had moved to the city of Nairobi. There he became involved in early African protest movements, joining the Kikuyu Central Association (KCA) in 1924.
In 1928 he became editor of the movement's newspaper. In 1929 and 1931 Kenyatta visited England to present KCA demands for the return of African land lost to European settlers and for increased political and economic opportunity for Africans in Kenya, which had become a colony within British East Africa in 1920.














Jomo Kenyatta is revered as the founding father of modern Kenya














Here a debunker that went through the Kenya BC that had come up a couple of years ago.  Makes the case perfectly for why the Hawaii birth certificate can't be real.  He says what Kenya was called and the fact he was using it against "birthers" at that time.... yet it can be used now:

Edit to note:  Kenya is listed as a country, in 1960 on a map, but it was a British Colony and the name Kenya alone was not used - a debunker of "birthers" proves that below.

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/02/the-latest-birther-fantasy-obamas-fake-kenyan-birth-certificate/

This leads to the second problem with the purported birth certificate. From December 12, 1963 until December 12, 1964, the official title of Kenya was the Dominion of Kenya. It wasn’t until a year later, on December 12, 1964 that the Republic of Kenya came into existence. And yet, the document above, issued on February 17, 1964 purports to have been issued on behalf of the Office of Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya.

So above a debunker of the fake Kenyan birth certificate has now debunked the latest birth certificate.


BUT the BIGGEST Mistake??????

Considering the name for the hospital listed on the birth certificate listed was not so named until 1978!!!

The name on the hospital of the birth certificate is listed as Kapiolani.  But the name of the hospital in 1961 was:
Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapiolani_Medical_Center_for_Women_and_Children

Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened in 1909 named for Emma Kauikeolani Napoleon Mahelona (1862–1931), the wife of Albert Spencer Wilcox (1844–1919).[1] In 1978, it merged with Kapiʻolani Maternity Home to become Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children.[2][3][4]

So those who forged the birth certificate, well they made some huge mistakes!  But I am sure this will never be mentioned in the MSM and even other people running for President will most likely not mention it either!  To be labeled a "birther" seems to be a bad name!

But I don't mind being labeled that now - but I would prefer TRUTHER!


So the birth certificate released today can not be real!

Edit to add - Market Ticker has it laid out how it is a fake -
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094

EDIT - another proof it is fake - here is a link to a birth certificate from Hawaii - a lady born Aug 5 1961 - the same month and year as Obama and only 1 day after Obama.  

Look at the bottom of her BC - it has a seal and all kinds of info on it that Obama's BC lacks.

Edit - 4/28/11
Alex Jones today has an article up about the number on the BC compared to the numbers on Susan's Hawaii''s BC born the day after Obama.  I had noticed the number difference, previously - due to Obama's having a higher number to Susan's though she was born the day after.

EDIT - 4/27/11 - An anomaly found on BC just released - with CIA - 61 hand written on it.  This forum has the info.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1464463/pg1



http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-birth-certificate-number-proves-forgery.html
Here is a great link, with information from Market Ticker and other places - the dates don't exactly align from what the AP released and the White House released.

There are many videos showing the layers of the birth certificate on youtube.

Video from Alex Jones about it.



http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/associated-press-involved-in-new-obama.html
http://nocompromisemedia.com/2009/07/28/unveiled-hawaiis-1961-long-form-birth-certificates/
Another has found it has layers - video

50 comments:

  1. Has any one looked closely at the b/c issued from the WH today?

    Signature of the Registrar is apparently...

    U K La Lee

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  2. Yeah, I got that - the instrument out of Hawaii. The joke is on us.

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    1. ACTUALLY THE JOKE HAPPENED ON HIS BIRTH DATE, IN THE HOSPITAL HE WAS BORN IN, IN THE COUNTRY HE WAS BORN IN, AND THE NAME HE WAS NAMED AS MEANING HE IS TOTALLY A DNA JOKE.

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  3. It's always been known as Kenya - even before the independence. I think that the hospital name issue holds more weight. The Kenya African Union political party was formed in 1947, eliminating all doubt about the word Kenya in relation to the territory, which was named after a local mountain.

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  4. Let me clarify - it's probably not unusual for someone from Kenya to use their name for the country rather than the official British name - especially in a time when they were on the verge of their own independence.

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  5. Here we go....again. This will really fire up the birthers. Another questionable move by Obama.

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  6. Note that the linked BC of one of the Nordyke twins lists the same "impossible" name for the hospital as does Obama's BC.

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  7. The hospital name on the Obama certificate and the one presented as a "real" sample with seals etc. are the same.

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  8. A look at your own evidence shows it's contradicting itself. You're using Susan's certificate to show that the Obama cert. is a fake, yet they both have the same hospital name that supposedly wasn't named that name until years later. One interesting thing is that the addresses for the same-named hospital don't match between the two certificates. That's a little strange.

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  9. You are right, the hospital is the same.

    The address does not match, I have already looked up the address they have listed. It is a house listed for sale. But I have not put that in, because I don't know if that is suppose to be the mothers address or the hospital address. But why isn't there a seal on the bottom of the birth certificate, like Susan's?

    So I will have to figure out the hospital point now. Because it says the hospital was a childrens hospital in 1961.

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  10. I would like to see a color copy of this birth certificate, a black and white does not help with where it came from. I know what an Hawaii birth certificate looks like, do to my youngest being born there. The closes copy of a colored one that I have seen is making it not look like it is from there.

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    1. WHEN I FIRST SAW A COPY OF THE B/C IT WAS SENT TO ME BY NEWSMAX AND CAME TO ME IN COLOR. SO I HAVE A COLORED PRINTER HOOKED TO MY COMPUTER, SO I MADE A COLORED COPY. I WAS AMAZED THAT THE YEAR OF 1961 CAME OUT A DIFFERENT COLOR THEN THE REST OF THE DATE. I SAID RIGHT THEN THAT IT WAS A FAKE.

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  11. This is from 2008, but it's still relevant....

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

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  12. The same person who signed the date next to Mrs. Nordyke's signature on her certificate, also signed Obama's certificate next to Ann Dunham's name. Clearly the same person signed the dates on both certificates: "8-7-61" on the lower right.

    Compare the 2 and there is 100% certainty the same person signed both. Or the forger used the Nordyke certificate as a sample to cut/paste off.

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  13. Hey dummies, it's the 'abstract' of the long form on file. Do you understand what an 'abstract' is in relation to something irreplaceable that's on file? I doubt it. It's authentic and y'all are drooling morons, or almost nearly all. Too bad for you.

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  14. And here's some more food for thought, if you're capable of it:
    6:42 PM 4/27/2011
    With Barack Obama's election, immigrant parents from all over the world can now honestly tell their American-born children that they, too, can dream of one day becoming president. It's a cultural as much as as a racial barrier that's fallen: As the son of a Kenyan man, Barack Obama will be the first U.S. president with a parent born outside the British Isles or Canada.

    Only six other U.S. presidents had a foreign-born parent. Mr. Obama will be the first in nearly ninety years, since President Herbert Hoover was inaugurated in 1929.

    Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

    From: http://community.myvoa.com/_The-Seventh-US-President-with-a-Foreign-Born-Parent/blog/137360/45137.html

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  15. the Department of state will not crept a Birth Certificate for use as proof of citizenship unless the document has a raised seal on it from the state of issue. This document does not have that raised seal on it, so officially it is a worthless document.

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  16. Hey Sherrie, I looked and found this on wikipedia (wikipedia has its sources on this article fully documented):

    East Africa Protectorate (also known as British East Africa) was an area of East Africa occupying roughly the same terrain as present-day Kenya (approximately 246,800 mi² / 639,209 km²) from the Indian Ocean inland to Uganda and the Great Rift Valley. It was controlled by Britain in the late 19th century; it grew out of British commercial interests in the area in the 1880s and remained a protectorate until 1920 when it became the colony of Kenya.[1]

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  17. How is it that Susan has access to her 'official' B/C with raised seal yet the president of the US could not obtain his 'official' B/C until now?

    Does Susan have more pull than the Pres?

    Here's a more realistic scenario ... Obama is toying with the birthers. He has had access to his 'official' B/C, with raised seal, all along but refused to release it for his own amusement/political gain!

    Instead he released the limited 'statement of live birth', so that the birthers would get whipped into a frenzy and at a moment politically convenient for Obama he would release his 'official' B/C. All along making the birthers and any republicans hitching their wagons to this cause look like fools and nut jobs.

    But wait, it gets better! Snickering in the Dem. war room, someone has the bright idea of releasing the 'offical' B/C without the 'offical' seal so that they can get even more traction from the birthers.

    The Dem's figure that any reasonable American who might have thought that there may be an issue with the B/C is now convinced that Obama is legit, so any more carrying on by the birthers and any Rep. that wants to carry the torch, is seen as a nut job conspiracy!

    And, of course, Obama will product the final 'official' B/C with the proper 'offical' raised seal some time end of the year, beginning of next year, garnering sympathy from average Americans, who now feel Obama has been hounded by blatantly false accusations by a bunch of extremists, racist, nut jobs!

    Well played, Obama, well played.

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  18. I voted for the man. But so much does not make sense.

    Conspiracy nut jobs? Well it seems that there are more questions than answers raised.

    It is the first time I have ever brought up the "birther" issue on this blog. I would like the questions answered.

    I am not a "birther" per se - I am someone who noticed differences as many others did.

    Yeah, there are some issues I brought up that seem to be able to be explained away. There are still others that need explanations.

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    1. Regardless of the actual evidence, we know that NOTHING about this man adds up! He has spent millions to cut people off from finding out anything about him prior to his preposterous time in the Senate. Thge only thing we know is that everyday a new mind blowing scandal occurs. 1800 strikes and..............// you SHOULD be O.U.T!!

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  19. Nordyke twins birth certificates list the same name for the hospital as Obama's.

    The Kenya name is interesting!

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  20. The ante has been raised, in fact we are at all in.

    Here is issue one. Is it that difficult to obtain a damn ‘official’ Hawaiian B/C with an ‘official’ raised seal on it? Really, is it?

    Apparently not for ‘Susan’? How is it that she has hers and is able to produce it on demand?

    There are only two scenarios in play here;

    1. Obama has in his possession, all along, his damn ‘official’ Hawaiian B/C with an damn ‘official’ raised seal on it and he releases it in dribs and drabs just so he can toy with the ‘birthers’ for his own amusement/political gain.

    2. Obama was born outside the US, his parents faked that he was born here (most likely to provide him with a better life, with more opportunities, just like any illegal would do) and now that he is the President, he is continuingly lying to the American people and releasing forged documentation trying to prove that he is an American citizen.

    So what do you want to believe? Are you ready to go all in to ‘prove’ that Obama is not a US citizen? If he is not a US citizen, what then? Do we impeach? Do we deport?!? Are criminal charges laid for all the lying and forging of documents? What then, the first black President, impeached, briefly jailed and then deported to Kenya?!? What will that do to the country? It’ll tear the country apart.

    Your little exercise in ‘truth’ has far more ramifications than you have given thought too. Is it worth it? Are you ready to go all in and unseat a President? This is not a issue to be toyed with.

    I believe scenario one. Because I believe it is more plausible and because I believe this issue is not worth tearing the country apart over.

    I also believe Obama has been completely ineffectual as President and the country needs new vision in order to save it’s self.

    Ron Paul for President.

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  21. Focusing on the BC is a mistake. The real issue is constitutional elligibility. He is not a natural born citizen. Therefore, he can never be qualified to hold the office of POTUS.

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  22. I am curious about three things though:
    1) Why is the letter "O" in OBAMA (twice) on the same line whereas the "O" in Oahu (twice) a half a line up. The "K" in Kansas is also a half line up.
    2) Was it common to sign a birth certificate three days after birth?
    3) Was Oahu spelled O'ahu then or Oahu?

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  23. Wow, you guys need to get a life. Yeah, keep worrying about the birth certificate while the corporate controlled GOP is trying to screw the middle class. It a distraction they've created-just for you! Wake up!

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  24. I'm a truther too...I am tired of liars and cheaters. Let the truth be exposed...

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  25. You "birthers" are absolute imbeciles. Just give it up. Maybe if you spent as much time figuring out how the GOP and the supreme court manipulated the election of 2000 we would live in a better world now. Well at least we wouldn't be in debt up to our eyeballs thanks to tax breaks for the super-rich and a war fought for Halliburton's benefit.

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  26. I am not a birther per se. I have not done anything on his birth before. I found the various problems interesting.

    I believe there are much more important things happening. The fact is, there are glaring problems but they will never get resolved. So those who question the BC will be labeled all kinds of things.

    So, now for those who want to just bash those who question things.... go watch the Royal wedding that the MSM has been making out to be such a big deal. I will look for the real news and let others who don't question anything, keep getting distracted by the fake news and all that other stuff that does not matter in the least.

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  27. The information posted above is incorrect in at least one area. I am holding my husband's birth certificate from Honolulu, Hawaii in the year 1964 at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. Don't know where they got their information, but they are wrong about the 1978 name change date.

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  28. Your first mistake was in trusting wikipedia as a genuine source.

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  29. I love when the sheep start throwing out the 2000 election and blaming Bush for the increased deficit of the early millennium. Get informed b4 you spout off that nonsense.

    Clinton took out short term/high interest loans to pay down the deficit in the short term. Thus, creating the illusion of a balanced budget and decreased deficit. Those short term loans came due during Bush's administration plus interest. Thus, shouldering the blame on the republicans. It was a very clever move on their part because the majority of people in this country can't think for themselves anyway. They regurgitate the sound bytes and video clips that their news channel of choice tells them to.

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  30. The real tell that this was purposely done by the WH is that it was released in PDF format which CAN be examined, and they know it. If they wanted to present it in a way that could bypass this simplistic analysis, they would have released it as a photo file. Our nation is done. If we don't end these bastards reign in Washington, then America is over. Period.

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  31. Different addresses for the hospital? Er... look again. That's the mother's address.

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  32. Someone asked me this morning why it took Obama so long to release his birth certificate. I responded that the reason is it doesn't matter what evidence is presented, a certain percentage of fools will never believe be convinced otherwise. Try convicing someone who believes in the Loch Ness Monster that Nessie doesn't exist - it's impossible! I am working on inventing a time machine out of a DeLorean to take you clowns to Oahu in 1961 so you can personally witness the birth...but you STILL wouldn't believe it...man is this pathetic.

    On another note, who cares? Obama's term is nearly over. He has a horrific approval rating. We are involved in various wars. The economy is a fiasco. The key issue is some insane conspiracy theory about whether or not he was born in Hawaii? He's the President, it's over!

    BTW - this issue is likely going to win Obama the 2012 election. Despite doing a very mediocre job, Obama has managed to shift your attention to whether or not he was born in the US. When it comes down to election time, he'll be talking about war and economics and education and his competitors will be talking about the size of the "O" on his birth certificate.

    This board is the single best argument why we should move back to a dictatorship. The average person is just not smart enough to vote - they'll believe anything!! Time for a king?

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  33. I'm not a birther but rather a Christian who believes in good and evil. I believe there are all kinds of wicked things going on in this country that are purposeful attempts to derail our economy and overthrow our government. A BC is one tiny drop in the bucket. Only God can help us. If we all believed that He could then we would be spending a lot more time seeking Him and His counsel than trying to figure out the mind of man.

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  34. Had Obama been born in China or Iran, he would still be a U.S. citizen because his mother was a U.S. citizen. That should end the controversy, for God's sake.

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    1. no because to be a president, you must be BORN in the United States

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  35. Passport requirements - proof of US citizenship

    You can prove your US citizenship with one of the following:
    Original Birth Certificate (if born in the United States);
    or Old (undamaged) passport;
    or Original Certificate of Citizenship or FS-240, DS-1350 ( if born outside the US );
    or Original Certificate of Naturalization issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Office.
    Note: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth.

    A Delayed Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable if it:
    Listed the documentation used to create it and
    Signed by the attending physician or midwife, or, lists an affidavit signed by the parents, or shows early public records.
    If you changed your legal name by way of marriage or otherwise you will need to provide evidence of the name change: a certified copy of either
    - A marriage certificate, or
    - A name change court decree.



    If you do not have a previous U.S. passport or a certified birth certificate, you will need:
    Letter of "No Record" issued by the State with your name, date of birth, which years were searched for a birth record and that there is no birth certificate on file for you and
    As many of the following as possible:
    baptismal certificate
    hospital birth certificate
    census record
    early school record
    family bible record
    doctor's record of post-natal care
    Note: These documents must be early public records showing the date and place of birth, preferably created within the first five years of your life. You may also submit an Affidavit of Birth, form DS-10, from an older blood relative (i.e. parent, aunt, uncle, sibling) who has personal knowledge of your birth. It must be notarized or have the seal and signature of the acceptance agent.

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  36. "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public"


    H. L. Mencken

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  37. America has been under judgment sence 1962 when the US Suprime court said you can not pray in school, its been almost 50 yrs. May YHWH have mercy on America. Time is short, get your life in order.

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  38. Where is the Donald when you need him?

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  39. Like so many others, I have my doubts about Obama's eligibility to be president, but he IS president. I think by pursuing the BC question, people are playing right into his hands by labeling them conspiracy theorists just as Tea Party members are labeld right wing extremists and red necked conservatives. Right or wrong, this will have a positive impact on his chances of re-election and that is something we don't need. In my opinion, it's in everyone's interest to drop this subject. It can always be proven AFTER he loses the election in 2012. If it it continues, he most likely will have another 4 years after the present term.

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  40. Interesting thing I noticed today when messing around with the COLB that I downloaded from the White House. Open it in Reader, select the entire document, right-click & copy the image, then Paste it in paint or whatever program you want. When you do this it only copies the background green, the lines on the document, and a couple of letters in the document but most of the data input on the form is missing.

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  41. According to Kenya, colonial-era documents were marked "Colony and Protectorate of Kenya", while Republic-era are "Government of Kenya". Now how do you get colony and protectorate of kenya to fit in that itty bitty box on the certificate. I'd write in "kenya" too, just like the person in 1961 did.

    http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/history_Steps_2_Independence.php

    http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/History_Post_Independence.php

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  42. I would just hope that those not committed to the idea of the United Socialists of America will this November remember the old saying, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Let's not repeat the mistake of Nov, 2008.

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  43. All this activity is just chasing after the wind. Legal or not, he is the most corrupt, anti-American president this country has ever seen. We need to remove him from office by voting him legally out. Period. We need more votes than we can imagine because too many fraudulent votes are sure to show up for BO. Get out the vote.

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  44. I think this all nonsense-we all have a choice, Obama, Romney or not voting. Frankly, the president doesn't even matter that much-who is really running the country-now that's what you conspiracy people should be working on.

    OK-with very little reseach you can find that Kenya-was called the Kenya colony from 1920 on-no long E Africa Protectorate-commonly people referred to it as Kenya-e.g. when Qeen Elizabeth found oout she was to be Queen in 1952-it was reported she was in Kenya

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  45. Kenya was NOT named after Jomo Kenyatta. The writer of this article should get their facts straight. It was named after Mt. Kenya. The mountain was originally called "Kerenyaga" by the natives, and since the British colonialists couldn't pronounce that name properly, they shortened it to "Kenya". It is insulting for you to insinuate that our leader named the country after himself and that we consented. The first president (Jomo Kenyatta) was born Kamau wa Ngengi, christened John Peter then John Kamau. Jomo Kenyatta was a nickname he was famously known by which stuck.

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  46. In actual fact Sherri Kenya was only called the East Africa Republic until 1920 and was then renamed the Kenya Colony in 1920, the Republic became independant in 1963, before 1920 if you were born their your birth certicate read East Africa Protectorate but from 1920 onwards it was common to only have Kenya listed as place of birth.I know this for a fact as my father was born there in 1943 and his birth certificate lists his place of birth as Kenya but his Nationality as British.

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